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	<title>Comments on: Dear Googler: You&#8217;re likely Millions Richer, but any Smarter?</title>
	<link>http://www.johnon.com/235/googler-retires.html</link>
	<description>I think there's an opinion on that subject lying around here somewhere....</description>
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		<title>by: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/235/googler-retires.html#comment-35660</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 07:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Now that you’ve dissected his post, it is a very different tone from him that you usually read, much more childish</description>
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		<title>by: V7N &#124; Adsense - Ethics and Money : Blog Archive Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/235/googler-retires.html#comment-4356</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.johnon.com/235/googler-retires.html#comment-4356</guid>
					<description>[...] John Andrews gives his strong views on Matt Cutt&#8217;s current attitude:- Today, Matt’s post was again in-your-face authoritarian. Matt is likely millions richer than he was when he started way back when I tussled with Google for the first time, but I’m not seeing as much “smarts” as I would expect to see. In Matt’s post, he speaks of V7N’s advertising system, and says things like : [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] John Andrews gives his strong views on Matt Cutt&#8217;s current attitude:- Today, Matt’s post was again in-your-face authoritarian. Matt is likely millions richer than he was when he started way back when I tussled with Google for the first time, but I’m not seeing as much “smarts” as I would expect to see. In Matt’s post, he speaks of V7N’s advertising system, and says things like : [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/235/googler-retires.html#comment-4240</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.johnon.com/235/googler-retires.html#comment-4240</guid>
					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Matt&lt;/strong&gt;: I doubt the specifics of my WP ban are important here. The Google engineer didn't mention WP specifically. I had to go back and forth in email to get an acknowledgement that it was WP. Also, back then it was common for marketers to run WP as a means of learning how search and Internet worked. I doubt the use we had at that time exceeded 100 keywords and I doubt it was run more than once per day at most. But it was very early in Google's history, so it may have stood out. But let's stick with the issue here, which is &lt;strong&gt;a shortage of facts&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;strong&gt;an assumption of guilt&lt;/strong&gt; sans explanation, and no shortage of &lt;strong&gt;righteous language in your post&lt;/strong&gt;.

Maybe I am mis-reading your blog, Matt? Even in your comment I am not sure I understand why you say "&lt;em&gt;We do consider building doorway pages filled with keyword gibberish that then redirect people to a completely different page to be sneaky, and I think most users would agree that it is sneaky"&lt;/em&gt;. I'll ignore the inflammatory language (I don't think the example you cited is properly described as "keyword gibbersih" nor did the landing pages seem "completely different" since they were all on topic). But Matt -- last I checked, &lt;strong&gt;most users don't understand much about the Internet at all.&lt;/strong&gt; These days "most users" type their destinations into the Google search box presented by Google on the Firefox homepage, even though they had no intent to "search" for that domain. &lt;strong&gt;We can't base our competitive webmaster guidelines on what "most users" would think, can we Matt?&lt;/strong&gt; Do we even want to do that?

It sure seems that either you or Google is out to &lt;strong&gt;stifle innovation&lt;/strong&gt; here. I can see how there can be dual meanings to the word "undetectable" as published by V7N accordng to &lt;a href="http://www.searchenginejournal.com/?p=4289"&gt;the article you referenced&lt;/a&gt;. To V7N and the competitive webmaster audience it serves, "undetectable" in that context may mean that the V7N system does not violate Google's established spam guidelines, and so will not be flagged by Google's spam awareness system. To me, &lt;strong&gt;that sounds like innovation&lt;/strong&gt;. But to you, it seems to have sounded like a threat (&lt;strong&gt;please correct me if I am wrong&lt;/strong&gt;).

The web site you referenced concluded the V7N system was a "no brainer" for testing, because it had potential to be good, and low risk. You have certainly stomped that opportunity to death wth your post. &lt;strong&gt;Isn't that stifling innovation, Matt?&lt;/strong&gt;

I am reminded of the Microsoft marketing machine of the mid 1990's, which seemed to execise it's monopoly powers by issuing &lt;strong&gt;pre-emptive pre-market announcements&lt;/strong&gt;, effectively stifling innovation. If a company was coming out with an new program for Windows, Microsoft would announce it's intent to go into that market, effectively cutting off the available investment money for the start-ups,  since no one in their right mind would invest in something that Microsoft already planned to dominate. Consumers would think twice and many would "wait for the Microsoft version". When it worked, Microsoft didn't even have to develop the product (and we users suffered). Take a look at the accounting software space to see how that behavior damaged the viability of a thriving market segment.

Following your post, Matt, &lt;strong&gt;who in their right mind would use the V7N system?&lt;/strong&gt; And as a follow up, do you think there may have been a better way to communicate directly with V7N on this issue, in advance of a public trouncing? I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Matt</strong>: I doubt the specifics of my WP ban are important here. The Google engineer didn&#8217;t mention WP specifically. I had to go back and forth in email to get an acknowledgement that it was WP. Also, back then it was common for marketers to run WP as a means of learning how search and Internet worked. I doubt the use we had at that time exceeded 100 keywords and I doubt it was run more than once per day at most. But it was very early in Google&#8217;s history, so it may have stood out. But let&#8217;s stick with the issue here, which is <strong>a shortage of facts</strong>, <strong>an assumption of guilt</strong> sans explanation, and no shortage of <strong>righteous language in your post</strong>.</p>
<p>Maybe I am mis-reading your blog, Matt? Even in your comment I am not sure I understand why you say &#8220;<em>We do consider building doorway pages filled with keyword gibberish that then redirect people to a completely different page to be sneaky, and I think most users would agree that it is sneaky&#8221;</em>. I&#8217;ll ignore the inflammatory language (I don&#8217;t think the example you cited is properly described as &#8220;keyword gibbersih&#8221; nor did the landing pages seem &#8220;completely different&#8221; since they were all on topic). But Matt &#8212; last I checked, <strong>most users don&#8217;t understand much about the Internet at all.</strong> These days &#8220;most users&#8221; type their destinations into the Google search box presented by Google on the Firefox homepage, even though they had no intent to &#8220;search&#8221; for that domain. <strong>We can&#8217;t base our competitive webmaster guidelines on what &#8220;most users&#8221; would think, can we Matt?</strong> Do we even want to do that?</p>
<p>It sure seems that either you or Google is out to <strong>stifle innovation</strong> here. I can see how there can be dual meanings to the word &#8220;undetectable&#8221; as published by V7N accordng to <a href="http://www.searchenginejournal.com/?p=4289">the article you referenced</a>. To V7N and the competitive webmaster audience it serves, &#8220;undetectable&#8221; in that context may mean that the V7N system does not violate Google&#8217;s established spam guidelines, and so will not be flagged by Google&#8217;s spam awareness system. To me, <strong>that sounds like innovation</strong>. But to you, it seems to have sounded like a threat (<strong>please correct me if I am wrong</strong>).</p>
<p>The web site you referenced concluded the V7N system was a &#8220;no brainer&#8221; for testing, because it had potential to be good, and low risk. You have certainly stomped that opportunity to death wth your post. <strong>Isn&#8217;t that stifling innovation, Matt?</strong></p>
<p>I am reminded of the Microsoft marketing machine of the mid 1990&#8217;s, which seemed to execise it&#8217;s monopoly powers by issuing <strong>pre-emptive pre-market announcements</strong>, effectively stifling innovation. If a company was coming out with an new program for Windows, Microsoft would announce it&#8217;s intent to go into that market, effectively cutting off the available investment money for the start-ups,  since no one in their right mind would invest in something that Microsoft already planned to dominate. Consumers would think twice and many would &#8220;wait for the Microsoft version&#8221;. When it worked, Microsoft didn&#8217;t even have to develop the product (and we users suffered). Take a look at the accounting software space to see how that behavior damaged the viability of a thriving market segment.</p>
<p>Following your post, Matt, <strong>who in their right mind would use the V7N system?</strong> And as a follow up, do you think there may have been a better way to communicate directly with V7N on this issue, in advance of a public trouncing? I do.
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		<title>by: Google SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/235/googler-retires.html#comment-4233</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great post - While I applaud Google's efforts to make the web a better place, as a user, if I get to the content I searched for, I am happy regardless of the way I got there.</description>
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		<title>by: IncrediBILL</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/235/googler-retires.html#comment-4231</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.johnon.com/235/googler-retires.html#comment-4231</guid>
					<description>@Matt, why is it scraping Google is bad and you punish people for doing it because the "load" it puts on YOUR servers, but when people scrape US, the scrapers are rewarded by being indexed in Google. Sometimes I wonder how can you keep a straight face with such duplicity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt, why is it scraping Google is bad and you punish people for doing it because the &#8220;load&#8221; it puts on YOUR servers, but when people scrape US, the scrapers are rewarded by being indexed in Google. Sometimes I wonder how can you keep a straight face with such duplicity?
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