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	<link>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html</link>
	<description>I think there's an opinion on that subject lying around here somewhere....</description>
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		<title>by: Ethics of SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-47185</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Generally, when one hires an SEO consultant, it would be hoped that they would follow search engine guidelines, but there are many approaches that be have temporary results that eventually may get your site banned from the search engines. There is also the fact that you may pay for search engine optimization, but when you stop paying your site will experience a great drop in the rankings. Take for example one of the evil uses of the unavailable_after tag. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Generally, when one hires an SEO consultant, it would be hoped that they would follow search engine guidelines, but there are many approaches that be have temporary results that eventually may get your site banned from the search engines. There is also the fact that you may pay for search engine optimization, but when you stop paying your site will experience a great drop in the rankings. Take for example one of the evil uses of the unavailable_after tag. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: TallTroll</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-43826</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-43826</guid>
					<description>The day that either

a) Google unveil the Rapid Reaction Spam Airborne Assault Division

or b) a court of law makes SE performance a legal asset;

... I'll allow that possibly their opinions carry some actual weight.

&#62;&#62; should probably reconsider as programmers that once-upon-a-time did similar tricks with time bombs in software that failed

Different entirely though. Software is a product, whose performance can be measured, and whose code can even be legally protected under copyright. How, exactly, do you propose to shoehorn SE rankings under current IP law? If you blow up software, of course there are consequences, it's tantamount to property (and Anglo-Saxon derived law is HOT on that subject)

But traffic? People floating about in the Tubes of the Interwebs? Who the hell owns them?

Besides, Google is a publically held, for-profit corporation, who supply various search related services. They can choose for any reason or for none to include you, or not, in their index. The second you try to apply any artificial notion of "fairness" to it ("Boo-hoo, that unavailable_after killed my site, it not FAIR") it breaks. You either have to nationalise Google, and make them a publically owned utility, or take the kicks - pick one

&#62;&#62; He says it was his service that put them into the SERPs, so it’s ok that a lack of his service will remove them from the SERP

That is, in my opinion, an overly cynical way to look at it, but OTOH, how many eager SEOs have had a client drop them / refuse to pay / otherwise stitch them up? There are Dirty Clients too you know, neither side is innocent.

The WWW is free... actually, really free. That means you are free to get cheated, as well as the other good stuff</description>
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<p>a) Google unveil the Rapid Reaction Spam Airborne Assault Division</p>
<p>or b) a court of law makes SE performance a legal asset;</p>
<p>&#8230; I&#8217;ll allow that possibly their opinions carry some actual weight.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; should probably reconsider as programmers that once-upon-a-time did similar tricks with time bombs in software that failed</p>
<p>Different entirely though. Software is a product, whose performance can be measured, and whose code can even be legally protected under copyright. How, exactly, do you propose to shoehorn SE rankings under current IP law? If you blow up software, of course there are consequences, it&#8217;s tantamount to property (and Anglo-Saxon derived law is HOT on that subject)</p>
<p>But traffic? People floating about in the Tubes of the Interwebs? Who the hell owns them?</p>
<p>Besides, Google is a publically held, for-profit corporation, who supply various search related services. They can choose for any reason or for none to include you, or not, in their index. The second you try to apply any artificial notion of &#8220;fairness&#8221; to it (&#8221;Boo-hoo, that unavailable_after killed my site, it not FAIR&#8221;) it breaks. You either have to nationalise Google, and make them a publically owned utility, or take the kicks - pick one</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; He says it was his service that put them into the SERPs, so it’s ok that a lack of his service will remove them from the SERP</p>
<p>That is, in my opinion, an overly cynical way to look at it, but OTOH, how many eager SEOs have had a client drop them / refuse to pay / otherwise stitch them up? There are Dirty Clients too you know, neither side is innocent.</p>
<p>The WWW is free&#8230; actually, really free. That means you are free to get cheated, as well as the other good stuff
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		<title>by: Darren McLaughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-42705</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's ideas like these that make people want to rush right out and hire an SEO :)</description>
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		<title>by: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-42056</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-42056</guid>
					<description>Amazing how sleazy the human race is :(</description>
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		<title>by: Tuf's</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-41803</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-41803</guid>
					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Référencement &#38; Extorsion...&lt;/strong&gt;

"unavailable_after" est une nouvelle meta que le Google a annoncé sur son Blog très récemment. Voici sa syntaxe :





Si vous ajoutez sur une page ce code, la......</description>
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<p>&#8220;unavailable_after&#8221; est une nouvelle meta que le Google a annoncé sur son Blog très récemment. Voici sa syntaxe :</p>
<p>Si vous ajoutez sur une page ce code, la&#8230;&#8230;
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		<title>by: ElDiablo</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-41637</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 23:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-41637</guid>
					<description>Amazing that SEOIdiot admits to [&lt;em&gt;unsubstantiated allegation edited&lt;/em&gt;]....

And Todd your post is so off target its not funny...build all links to one site and then link that to a client.....

I wish I had more competitors that thought that tactic would work,,,,unfortunately you forgot Google would see the links to your clients site, coming from the one website you bought, and give it a whopping PR1....

More please...lol

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;John Andrews comments:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; Eldiablo I'll let Todd speak for himself if he sees this, but I understood the tactic to be a traffic tactic, not a PR tactic. The client sees traffic from the SEO efforts, which goes to another destination once the DirtyBastard  is no longer being paid. Still done with framing FWIS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing that SEOIdiot admits to [<em>unsubstantiated allegation edited</em>]&#8230;.</p>
<p>And Todd your post is so off target its not funny&#8230;build all links to one site and then link that to a client&#8230;..</p>
<p>I wish I had more competitors that thought that tactic would work,,,,unfortunately you forgot Google would see the links to your clients site, coming from the one website you bought, and give it a whopping PR1&#8230;.</p>
<p>More please&#8230;lol</p>
<p><em><strong>John Andrews comments:</strong></em> Eldiablo I&#8217;ll let Todd speak for himself if he sees this, but I understood the tactic to be a traffic tactic, not a PR tactic. The client sees traffic from the SEO efforts, which goes to another destination once the DirtyBastard  is no longer being paid. Still done with framing FWIS.
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		<title>by: Steaprok</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-41628</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 23:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree , f'd up, but so genius in its simplicity! Nice</description>
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		<title>by: SEOidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-41528</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I wouldnt really have much of a problem with that as a tactic - i may or may not have done similar link based things with clients in the past - if they didnt pay their bills then they became a node in my network</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldnt really have much of a problem with that as a tactic - i may or may not have done similar link based things with clients in the past - if they didnt pay their bills then they became a node in my network
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		<title>by: Todd Harrison - LA Headshot Photography</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-41406</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-41406</guid>
					<description>Once again another thing tho be used as a weapon. I think this will only bring harm. another thing you could do is to create a domain name have it forwarded to their site as a 301 redirect, then build all your links to the domain you bought. then in time if you want to talk to another site about ranking you simple redirect the domain to the other site. thus giving all you links to the other site. These kind of things are not nice things to do. I would not do anything like this to somebody but I've heard of this being done before. this tag can be useful if used the way it was build for!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again another thing tho be used as a weapon. I think this will only bring harm. another thing you could do is to create a domain name have it forwarded to their site as a 301 redirect, then build all your links to the domain you bought. then in time if you want to talk to another site about ranking you simple redirect the domain to the other site. thus giving all you links to the other site. These kind of things are not nice things to do. I would not do anything like this to somebody but I&#8217;ve heard of this being done before. this tag can be useful if used the way it was build for!<br />
Todd
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		<title>by: Cal Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/375/unavailable_after.html#comment-41353</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>@IncrediBill

I was going to say the same thing.  I remember when this was a big issue in the mid '80s-early '90s. IIRC a Judge in NY set the precedent that time bombs like these are illegal.

@Jon, thanks for this article.  I had no idea that metatag existed. When used as designed, I can see that it would be a great asset.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@IncrediBill</p>
<p>I was going to say the same thing.  I remember when this was a big issue in the mid &#8217;80s-early &#8217;90s. IIRC a Judge in NY set the precedent that time bombs like these are illegal.</p>
<p>@Jon, thanks for this article.  I had no idea that metatag existed. When used as designed, I can see that it would be a great asset.</p>
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