Comments on: Understanding the Google http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html I think there's an opinion on that subject lying around here somewhere.... Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:43:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.7 by: warkworth http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-127844 Wed, 28 May 2008 01:33:17 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-127844 great article, but i still don't understand the google great article, but i still don’t understand the google

]]> by: » Google Barters Backlinks to Show The Way - John Andrews - johnon.com http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-107674 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:46:55 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-107674 [...] community jumped into that trap yelling “Google is not the Government“, I was disappointed that so much energy would now be wasted on a negative, endless argument that would lead nowhere. Of [...] […] community jumped into that trap yelling “Google is not the Government“, I was disappointed that so much energy would now be wasted on a negative, endless argument that would lead nowhere. Of […]

]]> by: K D Mains http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-96488 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:17:21 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-96488 John I could not have put it better myself. Well I might have a bash at it to reiterate or reinforce what you have said but really I could not agree more! Google really does tell webmasters or seo and seo writers how to give the web the best but as you say many are just not listening. As the last poster said excellent article. John

I could not have put it better myself. Well I might have a bash at it to reiterate or reinforce what you have said but really I could not agree more!

Google really does tell webmasters or seo and seo writers how to give the web the best but as you say many are just not listening.

As the last poster said excellent article.

]]> by: Maui Girl http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-93687 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:36:39 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-93687 Excellent article. It looks as though the future of SEO is in those that have no idea about SEO. In that, I mean, those with the interest of their visitors at heart will undoubtedly rise in the serps over anyone with only SEO in mind. I'm listening. Excellent article. It looks as though the future of SEO is in those that have no idea about SEO. In that, I mean, those with the interest of their visitors at heart will undoubtedly rise in the serps over anyone with only SEO in mind.

I’m listening.

]]> by: » Go Google Go! - John Andrews - johnon.com http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-83314 Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:21:45 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-83314 [...] I speak from the viewpoint of publisher here. Today’s Google is way beyond the text engine of yesteryear now, and much smoother than the early LSI stuff we played with in ‘03. If you’ve been writing off 3+ term searches as “long tail” you should take another look at your logs today. I’m seeing highly relevant combination queries which clearly reflect user intent, ranking my theme-targeting pages with dead-on precision. If users haven’t adopted the “say more so we better understand your intent” method of searching, they will when they get used to this performance. It’s rewarding. Yeah, it’ll be tough to define what your “target terms” are going forward, but I’ve been singing that tune for a year at least already. The future of SEO is relevance, and there’s no avoiding it. The key is defining relevance, and understanding the Google’s approach to rewarding it. remember, folks. WE define relevance, not Google ;-) [...] […] I speak from the viewpoint of publisher here. Today’s Google is way beyond the text engine of yesteryear now, and much smoother than the early LSI stuff we played with in ‘03. If you’ve been writing off 3+ term searches as “long tail” you should take another look at your logs today. I’m seeing highly relevant combination queries which clearly reflect user intent, ranking my theme-targeting pages with dead-on precision. If users haven’t adopted the “say more so we better understand your intent” method of searching, they will when they get used to this performance. It’s rewarding. Yeah, it’ll be tough to define what your “target terms” are going forward, but I’ve been singing that tune for a year at least already. The future of SEO is relevance, and there’s no avoiding it. The key is defining relevance, and understanding the Google’s approach to rewarding it. remember, folks. WE define relevance, not Google ;-) […]

]]> by: Adam Tal http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-71413 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:51:56 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-71413 Well the posts here just keep getting better and better. I just discovered you through a link from Aaron's blog, started with the SEO Lemon market post and now I'm here. The first commenter stated u got him with the "stop projecting..." line. You actually got me with the "She was talking, and I was listening..." Seems you got a knack for that. Most SEO bloggers tend to come with their own preordained agenda. They have a strict line of what they think and the blog about it (most of the time is, Google is evil, now let me show you why blah blah blah). You actually display a different view. A truly rational no flaming discourse. I agree SEO is becoming such a shady business. Most competitive industries, such as medical, gambling etc' do nothing to develop the web and add to the users experience. They focus (most of them, I do not want to generalize because some companies actually do provide some value) on getting as many backlinks as possible, mostly by outsourcing to Indian firms who just get links from everywhere on the on the web. The sad thing is that in the meantime it works. This kind of mass backlinking does get results. And from my own experience it doesn't matter what type of links as long as there are a lot (1000 quality related links in comparison to 10,000 poor unrelated links with some PR value, will get a better result). But hopefully Google are getting better and their link value calculations and in the future even super competative keyword terms, will yield quality results and not just a site with a lot of backlinks. Cheers, Adam Well the posts here just keep getting better and better. I just discovered you through a link from Aaron’s blog, started with the SEO Lemon market post and now I’m here.

The first commenter stated u got him with the “stop projecting…” line. You actually got me with the “She was talking, and I was listening…” Seems you got a knack for that. Most SEO bloggers tend to come with their own preordained agenda. They have a strict line of what they think and the blog about it (most of the time is, Google is evil, now let me show you why blah blah blah). You actually display a different view. A truly rational no flaming discourse.

I agree SEO is becoming such a shady business. Most competitive industries, such as medical, gambling etc’ do nothing to develop the web and add to the users experience. They focus (most of them, I do not want to generalize because some companies actually do provide some value) on getting as many backlinks as possible, mostly by outsourcing to Indian firms who just get links from everywhere on the on the web.

The sad thing is that in the meantime it works. This kind of mass backlinking does get results. And from my own experience it doesn’t matter what type of links as long as there are a lot (1000 quality related links in comparison to 10,000 poor unrelated links with some PR value, will get a better result). But hopefully Google are getting better and their link value calculations and in the future even super competative keyword terms, will yield quality results and not just a site with a lot of backlinks.

Cheers,
Adam

]]> by: » Google Wants to Rank Your Page #1 - John Andrews - johnon.com http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-70018 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:43:04 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-70018 [...] Think that through and you might better understand the Google. Topical Tags:SEO [...] […] Think that through and you might better understand the Google. Topical Tags:SEO […]

]]> by: Top 50 SEO zapisov leta » Optimizacija strani | Bloganje | Internetling Pika Kom http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-69979 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:17:58 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-69979 [...] Understanding the Google [...] […] Understanding the Google […]

]]> by: » Google vs. Innovation - John Andrews - johnon.com http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-64161 Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:49:18 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-64161 [...] I was reviewing my DiamondsDirect.com post and noticing that Google had (manually?) corrected all of the embarassing bits I noted in that post, while avoiding acknowledging their censorship of the web via profiling (parked pages, innovative methods etc). In the past I have vocally encouraged Google’s support for creativity and the expansion of the web. But for many years I have also noted that Google’s business model leads it towards biased censorship and anti-competitive practices. It looks like we are seeing plenty of that now. [...] […] I was reviewing my DiamondsDirect.com post and noticing that Google had (manually?) corrected all of the embarassing bits I noted in that post, while avoiding acknowledging their censorship of the web via profiling (parked pages, innovative methods etc). In the past I have vocally encouraged Google’s support for creativity and the expansion of the web. But for many years I have also noted that Google’s business model leads it towards biased censorship and anti-competitive practices. It looks like we are seeing plenty of that now. […]

]]> by: Bret heart bobby http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-59762 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:22:02 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/391/seo-whiners.html#comment-59762 Its a valuable article...it is a good idea not to mess up with Google pagerank.....i thought that understanding google was very hard but after reading this article i got some ideas.....the main thing of this article is its written in simple language....john u did a wonderful job man.....keep posting.... Its a valuable article…it is a good idea not to mess up with Google pagerank…..i thought that understanding google was very hard but after reading this article i got some ideas…..the main thing of this article is its written in simple language….john u did a wonderful job man…..keep posting….

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