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	<link>http://www.johnon.com/438/competing-seos.html</link>
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		<title>by: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/438/competing-seos.html#comment-72286</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Damn, I miss TW. I lurk here now for my daily cup of strong black coffee. 

Funny how so many equate brand awareness with success. VC money isn't profit; it's a bet that maybe there is some potential to be lived up to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I miss TW. I lurk here now for my daily cup of strong black coffee. </p>
<p>Funny how so many equate brand awareness with success. VC money isn&#8217;t profit; it&#8217;s a bet that maybe there is some potential to be lived up to.
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		<title>by: cRANKy</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/438/competing-seos.html#comment-69731</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My ex has just dubbed me cRANKy and for good reason. I am pre 30, hate newbies - but more importantly I hate the seo xxxxx circles. It's like following your tail into someone elses ass. I like following my own ass thank you, I don't care about anything but ranking, money and domains.

I think that being labeled as old fart is actually nothing but a massive compliment. Who would understand right? Like Bill says, work smarter not harder. I cringe watching the newbies and their techniques.

Not much commentry publically available about these matters, thanks for sharing and caring enough to actually post about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ex has just dubbed me cRANKy and for good reason. I am pre 30, hate newbies - but more importantly I hate the seo xxxxx circles. It&#8217;s like following your tail into someone elses ass. I like following my own ass thank you, I don&#8217;t care about anything but ranking, money and domains.</p>
<p>I think that being labeled as old fart is actually nothing but a massive compliment. Who would understand right? Like Bill says, work smarter not harder. I cringe watching the newbies and their techniques.</p>
<p>Not much commentry publically available about these matters, thanks for sharing and caring enough to actually post about it.
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		<title>by: IncrediBILL</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/438/competing-seos.html#comment-68835</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>John john john... 

"I think you missed the part where I said I’m not that old"

Over 30 with kids in denial about being an Old Fart, tsk tsk. If you don't think you're old just ask any group of hot 18 year old girls, assuming they'll even stand still long enough for you to approach and pose the question as they tend to move away from creepy old men, and the resulting shrill hysterical laughter will confirm your current status.

I am sorely going to miss PubCon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John john john&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;I think you missed the part where I said I’m not that old&#8221;</p>
<p>Over 30 with kids in denial about being an Old Fart, tsk tsk. If you don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re old just ask any group of hot 18 year old girls, assuming they&#8217;ll even stand still long enough for you to approach and pose the question as they tend to move away from creepy old men, and the resulting shrill hysterical laughter will confirm your current status.</p>
<p>I am sorely going to miss PubCon&#8230;
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		<title>by: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/438/competing-seos.html#comment-68822</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>A lot of Internet companies are like Jennifer Love Hewitt: they have a ton of fanboys and girls for a while and then they drift out of the public eye.  They continue to be hot in some respects, mainly in the upper torso region, but the following eventually moves on to the next big thing.  

Take a look at 37Signals as an example.  They were the hottest thing online for a while. They did the coolest things, had their frameworks and faces all over Newsweek, and had more fanboys than they knew what to do with.  Their blog exploded and eventually so did their heads.  A lot of their readers came and went, I'm guessing mostly because their style of explain and justify turned into preach and swallow. 

seoMoz is heading down a similar path.  Every once in a while there are some really good bits of advice and analysis on their blog.  The comments are filled with fanboys expressing their love and dishing out virtual high fives but there really isn't much else going on.  Like 37Signals, they are selling memberships and a little bit of custom work and the idea is to keep people coming back and by dangling that 'how we do SEO carrot' out there it seems to be working.  For now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of Internet companies are like Jennifer Love Hewitt: they have a ton of fanboys and girls for a while and then they drift out of the public eye.  They continue to be hot in some respects, mainly in the upper torso region, but the following eventually moves on to the next big thing.  </p>
<p>Take a look at 37Signals as an example.  They were the hottest thing online for a while. They did the coolest things, had their frameworks and faces all over Newsweek, and had more fanboys than they knew what to do with.  Their blog exploded and eventually so did their heads.  A lot of their readers came and went, I&#8217;m guessing mostly because their style of explain and justify turned into preach and swallow. </p>
<p>seoMoz is heading down a similar path.  Every once in a while there are some really good bits of advice and analysis on their blog.  The comments are filled with fanboys expressing their love and dishing out virtual high fives but there really isn&#8217;t much else going on.  Like 37Signals, they are selling memberships and a little bit of custom work and the idea is to keep people coming back and by dangling that &#8216;how we do SEO carrot&#8217; out there it seems to be working.  For now.
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		<title>by: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/438/competing-seos.html#comment-68691</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for taking the time and effort to keep blogging. Our entire industry ecosystem is about 2 nasty press releases away from a serious attitude adjustment and you are one of the few voices that consistently point this out..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time and effort to keep blogging. Our entire industry ecosystem is about 2 nasty press releases away from a serious attitude adjustment and you are one of the few voices that consistently point this out..
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		<title>by: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/438/competing-seos.html#comment-68661</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;@&lt;a href="http://incredibill.blogspot.com/"&gt;Bill&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Um...I think you missed the part where I said I'm not that old. But I will miss you in Vegas this year. As for the "we’re both amazingly making money doing it while the youngsters are scrambling about in offices with bosses breathing down their necks" part, you definitely got a point there. I guess I take it for granted.

&lt;strong&gt;@&lt;a href="http://www.allthingssem.com/"&gt;Marios&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: You say "Please take up Rand on his offer. Such a meeting could produce some very interesting work and hopefully you’d both be willing to share the output." I just don't have that perspective. Thanks for raising it.

&lt;strong&gt;@&lt;a href="http://www.thatgirlfrommarketing.com/"&gt;Natasha&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: You're making me think I might have subconsciously exercised a little &lt;a title="hook humility" href="http://www.johnon.com/299/hook-humility-matt-cutts-got-me-this-time.html"&gt;hook humility&lt;/a&gt; with my post. No harm done, right? Thanks for the compliment; see you in Vegas.

&lt;strong&gt;@&lt;a href="http://www.seomoz.org/team/randfish"&gt;rand&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Thanks for the offer.. but I'm not one to take off any one else's glasses! I commented on the comments on seomoz, not seomoz itself. Do you really wear rose colored glasses over there? I thought you were all about transparency ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@<a href="http://incredibill.blogspot.com/">Bill</a></strong>: Um&#8230;I think you missed the part where I said I&#8217;m not that old. But I will miss you in Vegas this year. As for the &#8220;we’re both amazingly making money doing it while the youngsters are scrambling about in offices with bosses breathing down their necks&#8221; part, you definitely got a point there. I guess I take it for granted.</p>
<p><strong>@<a href="http://www.allthingssem.com/">Marios</a></strong>: You say &#8220;Please take up Rand on his offer. Such a meeting could produce some very interesting work and hopefully you’d both be willing to share the output.&#8221; I just don&#8217;t have that perspective. Thanks for raising it.</p>
<p><strong>@<a href="http://www.thatgirlfrommarketing.com/">Natasha</a></strong>: You&#8217;re making me think I might have subconsciously exercised a little <a title="hook humility" href="http://www.johnon.com/299/hook-humility-matt-cutts-got-me-this-time.html">hook humility</a> with my post. No harm done, right? Thanks for the compliment; see you in Vegas.</p>
<p><strong>@<a href="http://www.seomoz.org/team/randfish">rand</a></strong>: Thanks for the offer.. but I&#8217;m not one to take off any one else&#8217;s glasses! I commented on the comments on seomoz, not seomoz itself. Do you really wear rose colored glasses over there? I thought you were all about transparency ;-)
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		<title>by: Natasha Robinson</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/438/competing-seos.html#comment-68656</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>HA... and I was just thinking today, "God, I miss Threadwatch!" and here comes your post to remind me of the good 'ole days! Last week a co-worker and I were talking about how annoying backslapping comments on SEO blogs can be - Every post can't be a great post, can it? And then he brought up how he liked your blog because it wasn't like that. And if you define curmudgeon-y, long live it.  And I wouldn't call you curmudgeon-y I'd call you TellItLikeItIsy, which is why the people who like what you have to say, like what you have to say. OMG: I think I just wrote a backslapping comment!

BTW Alex: I almost went to Techform last night! And quietly, I've actually been thinking of my own personal drinking game for Bay Area events - it's called: Web 2 Point Uh Oh. To play, you take a shot every time you think to yourself "Good luck making money on that" after chatting up someone about their Web 2.0 company. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA&#8230; and I was just thinking today, &#8220;God, I miss Threadwatch!&#8221; and here comes your post to remind me of the good &#8216;ole days! Last week a co-worker and I were talking about how annoying backslapping comments on SEO blogs can be - Every post can&#8217;t be a great post, can it? And then he brought up how he liked your blog because it wasn&#8217;t like that. And if you define curmudgeon-y, long live it.  And I wouldn&#8217;t call you curmudgeon-y I&#8217;d call you TellItLikeItIsy, which is why the people who like what you have to say, like what you have to say. OMG: I think I just wrote a backslapping comment!</p>
<p>BTW Alex: I almost went to Techform last night! And quietly, I&#8217;ve actually been thinking of my own personal drinking game for Bay Area events - it&#8217;s called: Web 2 Point Uh Oh. To play, you take a shot every time you think to yourself &#8220;Good luck making money on that&#8221; after chatting up someone about their Web 2.0 company. :)
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		<title>by: Marios Alexandrou</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/438/competing-seos.html#comment-68639</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Damn it, John! I just got through reading some happy-go-lucky SEO/SEM posts in my RSS reader and you had to go and ruin it all, didn't you? :-)

Please take up Rand on his offer. Such a meeting could produce some very interesting work and hopefully you'd both be willing to share the output.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn it, John! I just got through reading some happy-go-lucky SEO/SEM posts in my RSS reader and you had to go and ruin it all, didn&#8217;t you? :-)</p>
<p>Please take up Rand on his offer. Such a meeting could produce some very interesting work and hopefully you&#8217;d both be willing to share the output.
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		<title>by: randfish</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/438/competing-seos.html#comment-68634</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>So John, any chance you'd be willing to come down to the mozplex sometime and take off our rosy glasses? We'll buy you lunch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So John, any chance you&#8217;d be willing to come down to the mozplex sometime and take off our rosy glasses? We&#8217;ll buy you lunch!
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		<title>by: IncrediBILL</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/438/competing-seos.html#comment-68631</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>John, there's nothing wrong with being branded an Old Fart as I like to wear it like a badge. I'll be the first one to point out while the young stuff scurries around trying to make customers happy all day that that this old fart does SEO just for himself and lives a very relaxed, quiet and fairly stress-free life. 

You claim to park your carcass in coffee houses all day and I park mine on a bar stool several days a week and we're both amazingly making money doing it while the youngsters are scrambling about in offices with bosses breathing down their necks.

Come on, don't deny it, give into it, it's because Old Farts work smarter and not harder.

Besides, you are a wee bit of a curmudgeon which is why I like you as we curmudgeons have to stick together!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with being branded an Old Fart as I like to wear it like a badge. I&#8217;ll be the first one to point out while the young stuff scurries around trying to make customers happy all day that that this old fart does SEO just for himself and lives a very relaxed, quiet and fairly stress-free life. </p>
<p>You claim to park your carcass in coffee houses all day and I park mine on a bar stool several days a week and we&#8217;re both amazingly making money doing it while the youngsters are scrambling about in offices with bosses breathing down their necks.</p>
<p>Come on, don&#8217;t deny it, give into it, it&#8217;s because Old Farts work smarter and not harder.</p>
<p>Besides, you are a wee bit of a curmudgeon which is why I like you as we curmudgeons have to stick together!
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