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	<title>Comments on: Greedy Bastards at The New York Times</title>
	<link>http://www.johnon.com/471/new-york-times-google-ipod.html</link>
	<description>I think there's an opinion on that subject lying around here somewhere....</description>
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		<title>by: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/471/new-york-times-google-ipod.html#comment-79566</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>For comparison, here's &lt;a href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jan2008/tc2008017_308710.htm?chan=top news_top news index_technology"&gt;a piece in today's BusinessWeek&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For comparison, here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jan2008/tc2008017_308710.htm?chan=top news_top news index_technology">a piece in today&#8217;s BusinessWeek</a>.
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		<title>by: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/471/new-york-times-google-ipod.html#comment-79452</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the comment, Marshall. Unfortunately the NYT leads from the front, and the local papers (who obviously refuse to link out) don't share your vision. They see what they see, and say "see?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Marshall. Unfortunately the NYT leads from the front, and the local papers (who obviously refuse to link out) don&#8217;t share your vision. They see what they see, and say &#8220;see?&#8221;
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		<title>by: Marshall Simmonds</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/471/new-york-times-google-ipod.html#comment-79394</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi John,

Yeah unfortunately that was one of the articles that honestly wasn't as good as we'd like.  Actually the piece you referenced originally had no links and through Teragram's TK240 product the NYT has been using for the past 5  years (long before I or the SEO efforts started) links proper nouns (persons, places and things) to a page of resource.  

Be it known our SEO policy is absolutely to link out to legitimate, useful and appropriate sites whenever possible (that odd reference to the CNET iPod review isn't my idea of good linking, cross OR off-site or good user experience).  Our linking strategy is obviously evident at About.com and stems from a very useful conversation I had with Jan Pedersen in 1998 about "the bow-tie affect."  This is the idea of good links in, good content, good links out - a concept internalized and executed well at About and getting much better at the NYT.  It also wouldn't be good SEO practice to trap a crawler and only helps an article from a user and search perspective to link out.  Ultimately this ship take a while to turn, there's a lot of people and software still to educate on best practices and not every one of the 1500  per week articles and 22 million in the archives can be scrutinized. 

-Marshall 

Chief Search Strategist
The New York Times Company</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Yeah unfortunately that was one of the articles that honestly wasn&#8217;t as good as we&#8217;d like.  Actually the piece you referenced originally had no links and through Teragram&#8217;s TK240 product the NYT has been using for the past 5  years (long before I or the SEO efforts started) links proper nouns (persons, places and things) to a page of resource.  </p>
<p>Be it known our SEO policy is absolutely to link out to legitimate, useful and appropriate sites whenever possible (that odd reference to the CNET iPod review isn&#8217;t my idea of good linking, cross OR off-site or good user experience).  Our linking strategy is obviously evident at About.com and stems from a very useful conversation I had with Jan Pedersen in 1998 about &#8220;the bow-tie affect.&#8221;  This is the idea of good links in, good content, good links out - a concept internalized and executed well at About and getting much better at the NYT.  It also wouldn&#8217;t be good SEO practice to trap a crawler and only helps an article from a user and search perspective to link out.  Ultimately this ship take a while to turn, there&#8217;s a lot of people and software still to educate on best practices and not every one of the 1500  per week articles and 22 million in the archives can be scrutinized. </p>
<p>-Marshall </p>
<p>Chief Search Strategist<br />
The New York Times Company
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		<title>by: David Temple</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/471/new-york-times-google-ipod.html#comment-79077</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Didn't want to bleed any of that valuable link juice? Scared of Google so their theory is no link is a good link no follow or not? Couldn't get Nerous Technology to pay for the link? Just did it for linkbait purposes and knew you would write about it? They're just greedy bastards at the NY Times?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t want to bleed any of that valuable link juice? Scared of Google so their theory is no link is a good link no follow or not? Couldn&#8217;t get Nerous Technology to pay for the link? Just did it for linkbait purposes and knew you would write about it? They&#8217;re just greedy bastards at the NY Times?
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		<title>by: Todd Mintz</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/471/new-york-times-google-ipod.html#comment-78914</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.johnon.com/471/new-york-times-google-ipod.html#comment-78914</guid>
					<description>Fortunately, the head of the NY Times SEO effort Marshall Simmonds will be at Searchfest and you can speak to him there (and I'll hopefully be around when that happens)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, the head of the NY Times SEO effort Marshall Simmonds will be at Searchfest and you can speak to him there (and I&#8217;ll hopefully be around when that happens)&#8230;
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