Comments on: Modern SEO as Competitive Webmastering http://www.johnon.com/488/more-dirty-bastards.html I think there's an opinion on that subject lying around here somewhere.... Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:07:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.7 by: Bob http://www.johnon.com/488/more-dirty-bastards.html#comment-90686 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:47:01 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/488/more-dirty-bastards.html#comment-90686 John, I agree with you that discussion is good. The problem is that it's easier to just bury than engage, and it is may seem safer to some to bury than to appear to defend something Google doesn't like. John, I agree with you that discussion is good. The problem is that it’s easier to just bury than engage, and it is may seem safer to some to bury than to appear to defend something Google doesn’t like.

]]> by: john andrews http://www.johnon.com/488/more-dirty-bastards.html#comment-85179 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:44:22 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/488/more-dirty-bastards.html#comment-85179 @Natasha: Not every industry is high tech, and links are very delicate things in some industries. Some execs have enough trouble finding the courage to link to anything at all. One hint of a potential issue with a link and sadly that link is removed (plus the associated chilling effect on all linking). I think you are right - do something about it. Rather than vote it down and ignore it (the comment), if you disagree why not say so in a comment? That way the readers will see the whole discussion and not just the covered up bits or the ignored bits or whatever. @Natasha: Not every industry is high tech, and links are very delicate things in some industries. Some execs have enough trouble finding the courage to link to anything at all. One hint of a potential issue with a link and sadly that link is removed (plus the associated chilling effect on all linking).

I think you are right - do something about it. Rather than vote it down and ignore it (the comment), if you disagree why not say so in a comment? That way the readers will see the whole discussion and not just the covered up bits or the ignored bits or whatever.

]]> by: Natasha Robinson http://www.johnon.com/488/more-dirty-bastards.html#comment-85175 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:26:03 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/488/more-dirty-bastards.html#comment-85175 Well the reasoning for voting that down may be that they actually disagree with her tactics... as I did. You know my motto "stop whining and do something about it" or as the sticker on my desk says, "stop b!tching and start a revolution". I mean, come 'on? The time spent "telling" on competition could be better spent making your site more competitive. For every paid link you find for a competitor there are probably 10 more they are buying in the time it took you to report the link; so to me it doesn't seem like the best use of time. Then again, I think reporting paid links shows a fear competition.... or lack of confidence in competitive webmastering skills. Well the reasoning for voting that down may be that they actually disagree with her tactics… as I did. You know my motto “stop whining and do something about it” or as the sticker on my desk says, “stop b!tching and start a revolution”. I mean, come ‘on? The time spent “telling” on competition could be better spent making your site more competitive. For every paid link you find for a competitor there are probably 10 more they are buying in the time it took you to report the link; so to me it doesn’t seem like the best use of time. Then again, I think reporting paid links shows a fear competition…. or lack of confidence in competitive webmastering skills.

]]> by: Alex http://www.johnon.com/488/more-dirty-bastards.html#comment-85151 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:38:08 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/488/more-dirty-bastards.html#comment-85151 Danny I am not sure how many "clients" read Sphinn, but I would say if it is a good chunk of the audience maybe putting best foot forward in comments is not so bad. To this day I have a hard time speaking with prospective clients who think all I can do is create spam for them. If there was a place I can point to them to show SEO is a legitimate marketing tool this may not be as big of a problem. Danny I am not sure how many “clients” read Sphinn, but I would say if it is a good chunk of the audience maybe putting best foot forward in comments is not so bad. To this day I have a hard time speaking with prospective clients who think all I can do is create spam for them. If there was a place I can point to them to show SEO is a legitimate marketing tool this may not be as big of a problem.

]]> by: Danny Sullivan http://www.johnon.com/488/more-dirty-bastards.html#comment-84999 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:05:31 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/488/more-dirty-bastards.html#comment-84999 "Do online marketers wish it werent true? Do they attempt to vote it out of existence, voting being some manifestation of denial?" Well, five people did 109 days ago. Not sure that this says anything about an entire community of internet marketers one way or the other. But it's a good point that perhaps vote downs shouldn't hide comments. I don't recall offhand what the threshold is, but we could take it up. I think that's more down to the defaults of Pligg software, where you've got the programmers figuring there will be link spam in comments, so hide a lot of down votes like they do at Digg. At Sphinn, if a comment is spam, the mods will axe it. We don't need to have automatic hiding. I'll look into it. “Do online marketers wish it werent true? Do they attempt to vote it out of existence, voting being some manifestation of denial?”

Well, five people did 109 days ago. Not sure that this says anything about an entire community of internet marketers one way or the other.

But it’s a good point that perhaps vote downs shouldn’t hide comments. I don’t recall offhand what the threshold is, but we could take it up. I think that’s more down to the defaults of Pligg software, where you’ve got the programmers figuring there will be link spam in comments, so hide a lot of down votes like they do at Digg.

At Sphinn, if a comment is spam, the mods will axe it. We don’t need to have automatic hiding. I’ll look into it.

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