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		<title>by: Tsatkin</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/577/copyright-infringement.html#comment-127939</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The same way the few who controlled resources controlled the industrial revolution, so will those who control the internet in the information revolution we are in now.</description>
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		<title>by: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/577/copyright-infringement.html#comment-127937</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'll add that in this case, a newspaper with many other websites (including blogs) has found "great success" in a simple, straight forward publication of content (photographs). One guy built a blog, designed it himself, and published it to highlight the content - images - and it is considered a great success. They found it &lt;em&gt;remarkable&lt;/em&gt;, actually, since they are writing about it and interviewing him about it. I would not be surpised if they gave it an award at some point in the future.

See the irony?

That developer worked for that newspaper (and presumably had a hand in all of their other, less-successful web sites). Given an opportunity to kill his success, they do.

The newspaper also didn't own the images. All the work that newspaper is doing, with its large staff and operating budget, deep community connections, and even staff photographers and photojournalists,  and yet it found relative success re-publishing someone else's content in a simple, straight forward fashion.

And it probably violated copyright in order to get that done. And it justified that copyright violation as best as it could.. gently, you could say.

Are these industry people listening to each other? Are YOU listening to them?

Staff photographers are people trying to make a career out of photography. The industry has crafted a system where photographers, as we define them outside of that industry, cannot find success in that system. It seems the newspapers themselves cannot succeed in that system. The photographers whose images make that blog did not get paid for the use of their images. The newsrooms who put their photographers into the scenes to capture those images, including their equipment and travel budgets, did not get paid for the use of those images.

Now extrapolate these observations and the underlying concepts into a futurist-style evaluation (scenarios, sustainability and such) and you've got some fodder for pub discussions amongst like-minded peers. If said peers are controlling a portion of the web publishing world, from domaining through digital imagery, design, presentation, SEO, and monetization... well let's just say if I owned a newspaper I'd want to listen in on those conversations myself.. &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;probably out of fear if nothing else&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. That's why I cited &lt;a title="Thin Tank web entrepreneur's meeting" href="http://www.purposeinc.com"&gt;September's ThinkTank meeting&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll add that in this case, a newspaper with many other websites (including blogs) has found &#8220;great success&#8221; in a simple, straight forward publication of content (photographs). One guy built a blog, designed it himself, and published it to highlight the content - images - and it is considered a great success. They found it <em>remarkable</em>, actually, since they are writing about it and interviewing him about it. I would not be surpised if they gave it an award at some point in the future.</p>
<p>See the irony?</p>
<p>That developer worked for that newspaper (and presumably had a hand in all of their other, less-successful web sites). Given an opportunity to kill his success, they do.</p>
<p>The newspaper also didn&#8217;t own the images. All the work that newspaper is doing, with its large staff and operating budget, deep community connections, and even staff photographers and photojournalists,  and yet it found relative success re-publishing someone else&#8217;s content in a simple, straight forward fashion.</p>
<p>And it probably violated copyright in order to get that done. And it justified that copyright violation as best as it could.. gently, you could say.</p>
<p>Are these industry people listening to each other? Are YOU listening to them?</p>
<p>Staff photographers are people trying to make a career out of photography. The industry has crafted a system where photographers, as we define them outside of that industry, cannot find success in that system. It seems the newspapers themselves cannot succeed in that system. The photographers whose images make that blog did not get paid for the use of their images. The newsrooms who put their photographers into the scenes to capture those images, including their equipment and travel budgets, did not get paid for the use of those images.</p>
<p>Now extrapolate these observations and the underlying concepts into a futurist-style evaluation (scenarios, sustainability and such) and you&#8217;ve got some fodder for pub discussions amongst like-minded peers. If said peers are controlling a portion of the web publishing world, from domaining through digital imagery, design, presentation, SEO, and monetization&#8230; well let&#8217;s just say if I owned a newspaper I&#8217;d want to listen in on those conversations myself.. <strong><em>probably out of fear if nothing else</em></strong>. That&#8217;s why I cited <a title="Thin Tank web entrepreneur's meeting" href="http://www.purposeinc.com">September&#8217;s ThinkTank meeting</a>.
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		<title>by: name withheld</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/577/copyright-infringement.html#comment-127936</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;comment via email: &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;You lost me on this one. Are you saying we need stricter copyright enforcement? that seems counter to the Internet's development.Are you saying newspapers violate copyright now? That makes sense. They used to claim Google violated their copyrights. Please explain, or maybe I have to go to Think Tank??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>comment via email: </strong></em>You lost me on this one. Are you saying we need stricter copyright enforcement? that seems counter to the Internet&#8217;s development.Are you saying newspapers violate copyright now? That makes sense. They used to claim Google violated their copyrights. Please explain, or maybe I have to go to Think Tank??
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		<title>by: Alan H</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/577/copyright-infringement.html#comment-127927</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm not sure I want the news people pushing the limits of copyright law and redefining it. Obviously they gain an advantage if they can do that. I doubt they have what it takes even if one smart guy is trying. Even is own article mentions how his management doesn't have a clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I want the news people pushing the limits of copyright law and redefining it. Obviously they gain an advantage if they can do that. I doubt they have what it takes even if one smart guy is trying. Even is own article mentions how his management doesn&#8217;t have a clue.
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