Comments on: Automated Rank Checking: Thanks for Helping, Google http://www.johnon.com/601/risk-reward.html I think there's an opinion on that subject lying around here somewhere.... Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:06:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.7 by: SEO Magician http://www.johnon.com/601/risk-reward.html#comment-128359 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:11:55 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/601/risk-reward.html#comment-128359 The sad truth is that some clients insist on ranking reports. Thgouh I do have some that look at a few terms themselves and if they are on page one life is good. It is always safer to run the least number of terms possible. Also, don't run full reports more than once a month and split the words up so you are running a few smaller batches. The sad truth is that some clients insist on ranking reports. Thgouh I do have some that look at a few terms themselves and if they are on page one life is good. It is always safer to run the least number of terms possible. Also, don’t run full reports more than once a month and split the words up so you are running a few smaller batches.

]]> by: TheMadHat http://www.johnon.com/601/risk-reward.html#comment-128285 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:22:41 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/601/risk-reward.html#comment-128285 @Utah It would be fairly easy with the way 99% of commercial rank checking software works. If you're querying say 200 terms, and stop on the page your website shows up, it will be a simple math problem to figure out which domain you're "most likely" looking for. Build your own, and don't stop when you find your URL. Keep it running and flipping IP's to confuse the engines. It's under the radar and they're only really going to go after massive abusers (WPG types). @Utah

It would be fairly easy with the way 99% of commercial rank checking software works. If you’re querying say 200 terms, and stop on the page your website shows up, it will be a simple math problem to figure out which domain you’re “most likely” looking for.

Build your own, and don’t stop when you find your URL. Keep it running and flipping IP’s to confuse the engines. It’s under the radar and they’re only really going to go after massive abusers (WPG types).

]]> by: Utah SEO http://www.johnon.com/601/risk-reward.html#comment-128284 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:02:53 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/601/risk-reward.html#comment-128284 If you're checking rankings then they can't ban your website. How would they know what website to ban? You check rankings by submitting a keyword and then scanning the page to see if a certain url exists and where it ranks if it does. But there are several other urls there, and Google wouldn't know which one is of interest to the app doing the querying, if it's any of them. This is different if you are doing a "site:" or "link:" request since then you are asking for Google data on a specific domain. However, I don't think Google has ever targeted specific domains due to automatic querying. If anything, they would only ban the ip address of the machine doing the automatic querying. My question is about the part in 5.3 of the TOS that says "unless you have been specifically allowed to do so in a separate agreement with Google." Does anybody know of a company that has ever succeeded in creating this type of "separate agreement"? <strong>@utah: stepping back, and looking at the big pictuee, automated rank checking stands out as quite different from normal usage (as does proxy use, liking, etc). On average, IPs don't search that much in nomal mode, and kw's making up sets do not get searched uniformly as they do as part of rank checking. In general, humans dont often go to page 2,3,etc. -=john </strong> If you’re checking rankings then they can’t ban your website. How would they know what website to ban? You check rankings by submitting a keyword and then scanning the page to see if a certain url exists and where it ranks if it does. But there are several other urls there, and Google wouldn’t know which one is of interest to the app doing the querying, if it’s any of them. This is different if you are doing a “site:” or “link:” request since then you are asking for Google data on a specific domain.

However, I don’t think Google has ever targeted specific domains due to automatic querying. If anything, they would only ban the ip address of the machine doing the automatic querying.

My question is about the part in 5.3 of the TOS that says “unless you have been specifically allowed to do so in a separate agreement with Google.” Does anybody know of a company that has ever succeeded in creating this type of “separate agreement”?

@utah: stepping back, and looking at the big pictuee, automated rank checking stands out as quite different from normal usage (as does proxy use, liking, etc). On average, IPs don’t search that much in nomal mode, and kw’s making up sets do not get searched uniformly as they do as part of rank checking. In general, humans dont often go to page 2,3,etc. -=john

]]> by: James Boyer Summit NJ http://www.johnon.com/601/risk-reward.html#comment-128227 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:32:27 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/601/risk-reward.html#comment-128227 They really will punish for doing this. What if a competitor constantly runs automated searches on the google possition of your domain?? They really will punish for doing this. What if a competitor constantly runs automated searches on the google possition of your domain??

]]> by: Travel50 http://www.johnon.com/601/risk-reward.html#comment-128180 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:16:44 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/601/risk-reward.html#comment-128180 Uhmm, if you send automated queries to google they will ban your ip address (if you send enough). However, I don't think it would be fair to ban your website because then all someone has to do is go to a cyber cafe, set up all sorts of data for a compeitors website, then sit there sending automated queries non stop until their competitor's website is banned. Doesn't sound like the google way to do things. If there's some way to link your ip with repeated queries and your google webmaster account, then that's a different story. But ranking stats are very very important, especially if you work in SEO for a company and they ask you to produce a report... manually... could take forever. There has to be some middle ground there. Uhmm, if you send automated queries to google they will ban your ip address (if you send enough).

However, I don’t think it would be fair to ban your website because then all someone has to do is go to a cyber cafe, set up all sorts of data for a compeitors website, then sit there sending automated queries non stop until their competitor’s website is banned.

Doesn’t sound like the google way to do things.

If there’s some way to link your ip with repeated queries and your google webmaster account, then that’s a different story.

But ranking stats are very very important, especially if you work in SEO for a company and they ask you to produce a report… manually… could take forever. There has to be some middle ground there.

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