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	<title>Comments on: Reminder: Set Your Clocks and Check Your SSL Certificates</title>
	<link>http://www.johnon.com/621/ssl-certificate-compatibility.html</link>
	<description>I think there's an opinion on that subject lying around here somewhere....</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 19:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/621/ssl-certificate-compatibility.html#comment-128824</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 11:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the great advice, I never really paid much attention to the time stamps but I will certainly keep an eye on it from now. I also think it is terrible that vendors aren't paying attention to older browsers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great advice, I never really paid much attention to the time stamps but I will certainly keep an eye on it from now. I also think it is terrible that vendors aren&#8217;t paying attention to older browsers.
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		<title>by: web development ireland</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/621/ssl-certificate-compatibility.html#comment-128472</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.johnon.com/621/ssl-certificate-compatibility.html#comment-128472</guid>
					<description>google had recent issues when a Gmail server ssl cert expired...one would think google would pay closer attention, but i guess we all make mistakes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>google had recent issues when a Gmail server ssl cert expired&#8230;one would think google would pay closer attention, but i guess we all make mistakes
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		<title>by: Cave Diving</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/621/ssl-certificate-compatibility.html#comment-128344</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>John, so what will it take for you to name names?  That would certainly be useful to those of who are interested in that kind of business intelligence.

Hans

&lt;strong&gt;@hans&lt;/strong&gt;:  &lt;em&gt;as I understand it the compatibility is on the shoulder of the signing authority, because browsers need to recognize the signing authority URL. So the cert issuers need to make sure they are backward compatible with what the browsers already trust. I saw Verisign come up in FF1.5 as untrusted just this month, for example, and that's Verisign the mother of all signing authorities.
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&lt;em&gt;Another example of Verisign wierdness: Verisign claims "universal browser compatibility" for their certificates (see http://www.verisign.com/ssl/buy-ssl-certificates/secure-site-services/index.html)  But if you go to their "Browser Check" page where it says:&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;With one click, Browser Check instantly tells you: * What browser and version you're using * Your browser's encryption strength-standard 40-bit SSL, or 128-bit SSL: the strongest encryption available * Upgrade recommendations &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;em&gt;and click "check browser" using Firefox 3, it comes up with a manual selection request offering me choices of Netscape Communicator or Internet Explorer versions 4 and less. It apparently couldn't recognize FF3 and thus can't "auto detect"?  What does that mean for their certificates? It shouldn't matter because they are supposed to present a root URL that is in the browser's trusted signing authority list. But it does make me wonder if the signing authority is simply trusting that the Firefox folks will make sure their browser includes the appropriate URLs for Verisign, instead of the other way around (Verisgn maintaining backward compatibility with old browsers, and actually testing browsers before claiming "browser ubiquity"). &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Consumer science says the cert seller is responsible for "merchantability and fitness for purpose" and so I encourage buyers to question their vendors when compatibility is an issue. You can't do that if you don't check, and if you're not checking (and the sellers aren't checking) the only one losing a sale is you.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, so what will it take for you to name names?  That would certainly be useful to those of who are interested in that kind of business intelligence.</p>
<p>Hans</p>
<p><strong>@hans</strong>:  <em>as I understand it the compatibility is on the shoulder of the signing authority, because browsers need to recognize the signing authority URL. So the cert issuers need to make sure they are backward compatible with what the browsers already trust. I saw Verisign come up in FF1.5 as untrusted just this month, for example, and that&#8217;s Verisign the mother of all signing authorities.<br />
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<p><em>Another example of Verisign wierdness: Verisign claims &#8220;universal browser compatibility&#8221; for their certificates (see <a href="http://www.verisign.com/ssl/buy-ssl-certificates/secure-site-services/index.html" >http://www.verisign.com/ssl/buy-ssl-certificates/secure-site-services/index.html</a>)  But if you go to their &#8220;Browser Check&#8221; page where it says:</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>With one click, Browser Check instantly tells you: * What browser and version you&#8217;re using * Your browser&#8217;s encryption strength-standard 40-bit SSL, or 128-bit SSL: the strongest encryption available * Upgrade recommendations </em></p></blockquote>
<p><em>and click &#8220;check browser&#8221; using Firefox 3, it comes up with a manual selection request offering me choices of Netscape Communicator or Internet Explorer versions 4 and less. It apparently couldn&#8217;t recognize FF3 and thus can&#8217;t &#8220;auto detect&#8221;?  What does that mean for their certificates? It shouldn&#8217;t matter because they are supposed to present a root URL that is in the browser&#8217;s trusted signing authority list. But it does make me wonder if the signing authority is simply trusting that the Firefox folks will make sure their browser includes the appropriate URLs for Verisign, instead of the other way around (Verisgn maintaining backward compatibility with old browsers, and actually testing browsers before claiming &#8220;browser ubiquity&#8221;). </em></p>
<p><em>Consumer science says the cert seller is responsible for &#8220;merchantability and fitness for purpose&#8221; and so I encourage buyers to question their vendors when compatibility is an issue. You can&#8217;t do that if you don&#8217;t check, and if you&#8217;re not checking (and the sellers aren&#8217;t checking) the only one losing a sale is you.</em>
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		<title>by: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://www.johnon.com/621/ssl-certificate-compatibility.html#comment-128341</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>you know this is something i always forget to do....until now!

thank you so much for reminding me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know this is something i always forget to do&#8230;.until now!</p>
<p>thank you so much for reminding me
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