Comments on: You’re Free to Go Home http://www.johnon.com/744/try-or-stay-home.html I think there's an opinion on that subject lying around here somewhere.... Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:47:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.7 by: Russ Jones http://www.johnon.com/744/try-or-stay-home.html#comment-133407 Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:54:20 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/744/try-or-stay-home.html#comment-133407 You can check my link on this, but I think there are some clear ethical guidelines that have nothing to do with Google and everything to do with other webmasters. Vandalizing their site with comment and forum spam (whether legal or not) is difficult to describe as anything other than unethical. I think it is time that black hatters (like myself at one time), man up and admit that some of what they are doing is unethical. We make judgment calls every day about how ethical we choose to be (should I jay-walk? should I leave work 5 minutes early?). I have no problem with people making these judgments, I only have problems with people who don't admit to what they are. You can check my link on this, but I think there are some clear ethical guidelines that have nothing to do with Google and everything to do with other webmasters. Vandalizing their site with comment and forum spam (whether legal or not) is difficult to describe as anything other than unethical. I think it is time that black hatters (like myself at one time), man up and admit that some of what they are doing is unethical. We make judgment calls every day about how ethical we choose to be (should I jay-walk? should I leave work 5 minutes early?). I have no problem with people making these judgments, I only have problems with people who don’t admit to what they are.

]]> by: seoservice http://www.johnon.com/744/try-or-stay-home.html#comment-131257 Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:28:04 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/744/try-or-stay-home.html#comment-131257 Great reading! I think everything above is matter of ethics. Even when your start-up is over 10mln worth. Great reading! I think everything above is matter of ethics. Even when your start-up is over 10mln worth.

]]> by: Myron Rosmarin http://www.johnon.com/744/try-or-stay-home.html#comment-131255 Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:13:52 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/744/try-or-stay-home.html#comment-131255 Nice piece John. I think it boils down to this. Within any search engine's organization, you've basically got two teams of people with somewhat conflicting objectives. A "gather" team (the crawl/index team) is responsible for gathering as much stuff as they can. And then a "garbage removal" team (the web spam team) interested in removing anything from the index it deems unworthy. My guidance: 1) make sure the gather team can find your stuff 2) don't do things that makes your site appear unworthy to web spam team. And as for cheap dink shots in the corner, no one likes those guys or those web sites. Nice piece John. I think it boils down to this. Within any search engine’s organization, you’ve basically got two teams of people with somewhat conflicting objectives. A “gather” team (the crawl/index team) is responsible for gathering as much stuff as they can. And then a “garbage removal” team (the web spam team) interested in removing anything from the index it deems unworthy. My guidance: 1) make sure the gather team can find your stuff 2) don’t do things that makes your site appear unworthy to web spam team. And as for cheap dink shots in the corner, no one likes those guys or those web sites.

]]> by: Robert Enriquez http://www.johnon.com/744/try-or-stay-home.html#comment-131250 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:15:00 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/744/try-or-stay-home.html#comment-131250 I do agree that we should not be spammy or trying to do illegal stuff like hacking someone's site but you're missing out on your own story my website is MY playground I make the rules in/on my site If Google wants to come play and crawl my site then they're going to do it by my rules. We the PEOPLE make the United States of America...not the other way around. WE MADE GOOGLE and Google is profiting in the billions while we stand to make NADA. Google wants all of 'yous' to continue thinking that we should make this a better search engine. FOR WHAT? so they can make another billion dollar quarter while we get ZERO. Soon Google will be gone and you would have miss the LEGITIMATE LEGAL gravy train .... I do agree that we should not be spammy or trying to do illegal stuff like hacking someone’s site

but

you’re missing out on your own story

my website is MY playground

I make the rules in/on my site

If Google wants to come play and crawl my site then they’re going to do it by my rules.

We the PEOPLE make the United States of America…not the other way around.

WE MADE GOOGLE and Google is profiting in the billions while we stand to make NADA.

Google wants all of ‘yous’ to continue thinking that we should make this a better search engine.

FOR WHAT? so they can make another billion dollar quarter while we get ZERO.

Soon Google will be gone and you would have miss the LEGITIMATE LEGAL gravy train ….

]]> by: Scott Hendison http://www.johnon.com/744/try-or-stay-home.html#comment-131249 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:52:06 +0000 http://www.johnon.com/744/try-or-stay-home.html#comment-131249 Ever since I showed my wife some #1 rankings I had "acheived" in late 2002 with a scraped site, and I saw the sort of "disappointed" look on her face, I decided to stay "white hat", but under my own terms. I actually had a bad taste in my mouth using the software (aptly called Traffic Equalizer), but after closing a retail business, I was broke, and I had bills to pay, but i was embarrassed and a more than little ashamed at the end result... That was the last time I personally feel like i ethically crossed any lines, and I took down anything I'd call "evil" over 5 years ago. (Since I don't think we ever had a drink together until about 4 years ago, you're safe) But - I'm a realist, and your best line here (of many good ones) may be - "I’d be disappointed in the Dad who chose to remain “ethical” and poor while his kids starved" - Bravo! After a hard fought muddy football game, my kids pants are still legally "white" - I think it's all a matter of pushing the envelope within your own personal values and risk tolerance. PS thanks for the racketball tips! Ever since I showed my wife some #1 rankings I had “acheived” in late 2002 with a scraped site, and I saw the sort of “disappointed” look on her face, I decided to stay “white hat”, but under my own terms.

I actually had a bad taste in my mouth using the software (aptly called Traffic Equalizer), but after closing a retail business, I was broke, and I had bills to pay, but i was embarrassed and a more than little ashamed at the end result…

That was the last time I personally feel like i ethically crossed any lines, and I took down anything I’d call “evil” over 5 years ago. (Since I don’t think we ever had a drink together until about 4 years ago, you’re safe)

But - I’m a realist, and your best line here (of many good ones) may be - “I’d be disappointed in the Dad who chose to remain “ethical” and poor while his kids starved” - Bravo!

After a hard fought muddy football game, my kids pants are still legally “white” - I think it’s all a matter of pushing the envelope within your own personal values and risk tolerance.

PS
thanks for the racketball tips!

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