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August 15th, 2007 by john andrews

Please tell me where to go…

Attention all you SEO/SEM people out there: now is your chance to tell me where to go.

I would like to know what SEO/SEM forums, discussion groups, communities or whatever out there have a place for me to participate. Where should I look to participate in SEO/SEM discussions? Based on what you know, where (if anywhere!) should I try to contribute and join in? And while you’re at it, if you have an opinion, tell me why you think I should go there?

For example, I was in WebMasterWorld years ago, but it got very stale, very boring, and too heavily moderated. If you criticized Google, you were treated like TheEnemy. And it seemed every other thread was a fake symphony of feel-good “nice job!” follow-ons from cult-like fans of the “SEO Rockstarz”. Maybe that has changed?

SEOMoz..DigitalPoint…Sphinn… which one do you think and why? I value your comments more than what I read on the web, go figure. Thanks for the thoughts.

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August 13th, 2007 by john andrews

Hey SEO: Raise Your Rates, You’re Worth More!

I’m at the Domain Roundtable event here in Seattle, already having fun and meeting good people. I just listened to a fun speech by Mike “Zappy” Zapolin, from InternetRealEstate.com. Mike is the guy who bought beer.com from a bunch of drinking buddies for $80,000 and then sold it for $7 million. Oh, and he owns chocolate.com and software.com and “a few more”.

Of course success stories are always fun, but the news is that domainers like Mike are developing their properties big time right now. It’s not so much about the generic domain name as the generic domain name that has a site on it. The reason? The sales of generic domain name-based businesses are at 20-25 earnings multiples, sometimes despite low profits. So a domain like genericdomain.com by itself has obvious value as a generic domain name, but a business operating on genericdomain.com with $10 million in revenues can sell for $200 million.  A business on a domain name is obviously valuable, but that same business on a strong generic domain name for that industry has much more perceived value to the customer. A credit card site doing $10 million per year on BestCreditCardsForYou.com (for example) is worth much less than a credit card business doing $10 milion per year on CreditCards.com, because of the perceived value and trust granted to the generic domain name CreditCards.com. Less than 10x multiple vs 20 or 25x, according to Mike (who used to own CreditCards.com by the way).
So the game is get the sites built and busy, to raise the revenues, to raise the cash out potential alot. Domainers are hiring CEOs to build those businesses, banking on them being worth so-much-more because of their generic domain names. And you all know that one core tool for doing that is SEO.

So all you SEOs out there, consider that when setting your fees. To the extent that you help build a business that will cash out at 20-25x earnings vs 10x or less, what is the SEO effort worth? Think about it. Everybody else is.

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August 9th, 2007 by john andrews

Digg’s Got Nothin’ on Sphinn

Sphinn-100While everyone talks about Digg, sites like Sphinn are quietly reforming the online forum space in verticals, with a vertical affinity that has nothing but forward momentum. At the same time, Digg-like general interest sites fail miserably in the forward momentum department. The more generic they become, the more irrelevant they become to passionate users, and it seems the more attractive they become to sophomoric drive-by posters and roving gangs of click-cliques. Of course with growth comes buzz, as even grandma starts to “digg” the Internet (I kid you not!). So Digg will still get bigger, but will it ever get better?

How many daily posts about Brittnie Spearz’ Linux-distro-homophonic puppy “Mandrake” can we stomach? That Mandrake has nothing to do with Linux, and, I’m sorry to report, it really isn’t “ironic”. Like 900 numbers and pay-per-call services, Digg sites are destined to devolve into the high-sensation, low-relevance markets where they get the big growth numbers. Think tabloid.. ever wonder why there are so many supermarket tabloids? Because the Alien Invasion tabloid rack empties almost every day. Someone has to satisfy that demand.

Meanwhile the Digg concepts get applied to vertical markets with their tight communities, where passionate users willingly participate not to be “hip” but to support each other and their industry. Sphinn is for search marketers, and highly relevant for search marketing. If you are involved in search marketing, there is no doubt you will find some value in Sphinn. And if you contribute, by keeping Sphinn on-target and supportive of search marketing, that value will only increase.

It took just ONE DAY for Sphinn’s passinate users to break the record for member participation when I proposed a challenge - come out of your shell and start Sphinning-up stories. I asked for 100 votes to make Sphinn history… 33% more than the previous “all time” high held by the third most prominant figure in the search marketing industry. I notified people by posting on Sphinn and on my little blog. My blog has less than 10% of the readership of most high-profile SEO/SEM blogs out there. Yes, I played a few obvious marketing tricks, but nothing radical, and certainly nothing that took time or effort.

Anyway those passionate users responded genuinely and powerfully. Among the many comments were one disparaging remark about my sex appeal and one negative comment about my blog. Virtually nothing negative, relatively speaking.

If you go over to Digg you will see plenty of passionate users, but I see the most passion by far dedicated to killing stories, burying submissions, preventing certain people or stories from getting attention, and defeating efforts to give attention to news items. That sort of passion leads to ridicule and bullying, which (obviously?) deters further participation from all but the combative. Sphinn-like passion leads to support and positive growth of not only a user community, but in the case of well-defined verticals, the industry.

I don’t think I have to highlight which is likely to succeed long-term on the marketing level. You can always bully and ridicule your way to attention, but unless done continually and with increasing energy (think terrorism and fear, uncertainty and doubt), that behavior won’t influence markets for long. Maintaining becomes very,very expensive. On the other hand, empowering your passionate community in a supportive way is a sustainable way to market, with user-supported maintenance less expensive with each added passionate user.

Think about the potential of a Sphinn-clone in your favorite vertical… and you start hyperventilating from the potential for growth in our business. The early web days had us dreaming of local shoe repair shops leasing warehouse space to handle the 10,000 heel replacement orders coming in daily through their brokenheelrepair.com websites. It might have been silly, but it wasn’t stupid - just ask Zappos and Stormhoek. Now the blog concept has revolutionized publishing, and brought us individuals out of our shells, and we’re sharing opinions. Point that at a Sphinn-clone and you’ve got the replacement for the forums that drove the early adopting industries. Yes, I’m talking social media, but using plain language, which is what is needed now.

It’s time to get “web 2.0″ out of the geek-o-sphere and into the hands of the people. Digg’s got nothing on sites like Sphinn (for influencing markets) and the next social media site you are about to create for your favorite vertical market.

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